Skeptics, detractors and supporters...

[edo]

All are welcome here to discuss. Since I have my posting privileges limited on another forum, I've decided, with the gracious support of K-series.com, to field questions and concerns here.


that the technology used to develop IPS cams is available to no one else, barring f1 and top nascar teams. :rotfl: :rotfl: ... I'm sorry, that's hilarious - i have nothing else to say about that. Just a thought though- people speak of IPS cams as if they're revolutionary in the ART of mastering valvetrain harmonics. I have my doubts because vavletrain harmonics challenges the minds of the highest paid automotive and mechanical engineers in the world. Formula 1 teams spend MILLIONS of dollars in R&D on valvetrain harmonics in an attempt to master them, and a new company selling street cams for hondas figures it out? -- I know i'm exagerating, but it is to make a point. -IPS, like many modern cam companies, has focused on valvetrain harmonics in an attempt to provide consumers with very high quality camshafts that are something more than simply 'bigger.' Please realize, I am not attacking IPS- i believe they put a lot of work into making some pretty awesome street cams for k-series- and it seems that they've accomplished this goal. - These cams are not some absoluetly revolutionary 'cams of the century'. They're nothing more than what seems to be some (very nice... dont get me wrong) - cams for the k-series that have been developed with it's customers in mind and also seem to have had more attention paid to their development.

That statement was derived by the mere fact, that our engineering staff continually develops winning camshaft and valvetrain components year after year for said level of motorsports. We are a new company, but the engineering staff has been around long before. Other companies that have this experience may also make this claim, that is why there's the clause qualifying the statement.

We never claimed they were revolutionary in the context you have chosen to portray the product, so please don't use it as a talking point that infers condescension.


In conclusion... i think hype has begun to destroy this product- Do you guys realize how much they were discussed and talked about before even being released or tested?- It's ok for a little, but we're discussing things that we need to give TIME...time, not talk, will tell- - i just hope the hype doesn't kill these - they look awesome and i'm planning on purchasing them at some point. ---- Just my .02


I have nothing against you and I'm pleased you are willing to give our product a shot.

-Ron

[k-series]

I really can't wait to see the results and see some track times/stories. (Since that's where it's really won or lost. :thumbs_up )


Steve

[rsxmachine]

:thumbs_up woot! here's to Ron and all he has done for the RSX community!

[SiK LiL pLaYa]

good to have a place to talk to edo about his cams. thanks k-series.

[Charter Tuner #1]

I'm on board!

[edo]

Neil (Glimpse) has now lost all respect from me. I guess he only keeps up appearances in the NA forum. This link was forwarded to me and I was completely floored as to how much contempt he has for me. He's a hippocrite by true definition:

From this thread:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=222 357&page=27&pp=25




I have no bias against you, IPS, or the products produced by IPS. Therefore if I take your last post verbatim, you have nothing to worry about.



He is right.

It seems few members see the forest through the trees since they are so far up Ron's ass. While I have respect for him, I do not think he has the knowledge required to perform all of the tests and calculations that would be required to do what he claims.


Some pussy in the N/A forum keeps giving me negative rep. Just because I'm the only one that isn't 6 inches up Ron's ass.



There is a different thread about some of the technical aspects (in addition to the one I created).

hotwheelz made a post that casted doubt on some of the claims made by Ron and IPS, and everyone jumped on him. I posted earlier today backing him up, and no one has had the balls to challenge me yet. :D

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=225 607




Yeah, I'd buy the Crower cams before the IPS cams.

Skunk 2 will dominate when they release their shit. They are, after all, the current record holder for N/A power on a 4-cylinder (which is a K series).

It is painfully obvious now that Neil has had a hidden agenda to find fault and attempts to discredit my personal integrity. Thanks to the person who brought this to my attention.

-Ron

[SiK LiL pLaYa]

thats fucked up.

[thaduke2003]

Ok- I'm not big on the whole fight thing going on- not too much interested in that- my question is, any chance of getting A3 cams? :) Just a hopeful Ep driver- Mark W.

[edo]

Geez, I'm reading through the entire thread and there's a real hatred for me shared not only by Neil but others participating in that thread. Here's another snippet from page 20.


:laughing:

It's rediculous how everyone worships him. He announces a product without giving any real indication of the parameters, and everyone instantly drops everything to chase after him. It's foolish.


What's most unfortunate is that I believe I can do better than him, but lack the resources that he has. I believe I can make a better product and not hide behind phrases like "understanding that requires a degreed engineer." :rolleyes:

We've always responded to product inquiry directly, and when said response was given - this is how they react by running off to a chat thread to talk behind my back. We have provided more than sufficient engineering information to support the statements contained within the discussion surrounding the product. They clearly do not accept it and have too much pride to concede academically.

I wonder how I've wronged him to have such a big axe to grind. Oh here's why, it makes perfect sense now:


Yeah, times were good when Ron disappeared and went to the *other* board (which will not be mentioned here). I was pretty much all they had left! :)

Edit: I wouldn't want to leave the forum though; N/A is my passion. My position in the community will become clear.


-Ron

[edo]

my question is, any chance of getting A3 cams? :) Just a hopeful Ep driver- Mark W.

There may be a champion to the A3 cause. Too soon to comment, but it has been brought to my attention by several individuals such as yourself. Notably, a prominent Company within the Honda aftermarket, has approached us with this very application in mind. Stay tuned.

-Ron

[thaduke2003]

Kinky- please keep me posted- I have my head off in the shop as we speak- if only you already had bumpsticks out... :) If you need a prototype/test dummy, I'm your huckleberry- Mark W.

[rsxmachine]

I wouldn't sweat the haters (esp. a cocky college kid with a sloppy cams install). I don't think people realize how much background and involvement you have in the industry.

[edo]

Oh I don't. I was just caught completely off-guard and was sincere about holding Neil in high esteem previously.

It perturbs me more than anything, knowing the true nature of these people, but I don't "sweat" them per se. Just extremely disappointed.

-Ron

[Diggs]

i never liked him because i knew he was trying to be a clubrsx hero.....the thing is he wants to be a clubrsx hero when in reality you (ron) are just a cool person who actually knows shit and it doesnt matter what forum you are on. just because a kid with some educational backround on physics took apart his motor a few times makes him a cocky expert and thinks he knows what hes doing. no worries man the product will speak for itself when people install these and dynos and impressions coming out... theres no stopping the product for speaking for itself.

keep on rocking on man you have the real NA guys here. no geeky think they know it alls :thumbs_up

[hotwheelz]

if Glimpse is viewed this way, how am I viewed ?

[edo]

You're someone that I still have respect for unless you've gone on record to make me think otherwise. You've expressed your stance and I've welcomed that. We gave our explanation, and it appears that you're taking time to digest whether or not you accept it. I am trying my very best to provide and make accessible all the pertinent information requested.

It really hurts when I read belittling remarks about the product engineering, since it was a very painstaking labor of love to see the entire project through. Its further surprising to read some of your negative comments, when we've exchanged email so professionally as well as going on record with highly positive comments attesting to the quality of my willingness to provide information. Your various actions have me very confused.

-Ron

[Glimpse]

Really big of all of you to talk about me behind my back instead of out in the open. Really big of you.

So let's get started.


Neil (Glimpse) has now lost all respect from me. I guess he only keeps up appearances in the NA forum. This link was forwarded to me and I was completely floored as to how much contempt he has for me. He's a hippocrite by true definition:


I said I respect you Ron and I've never been deceiptful about that. I don't have anything against you personally. You're taking my discussions with other members out of context.

So to straighten things out, since clearly you are misinterpreting:

I have no bias against you, IPS, or the products produced by IPS. Therefore if I take your last post verbatim, you have nothing to worry about.

This is true.


He is right.

It seems few members see the forest through the trees since they are so far up Ron's ass. While I have respect for him, I do not think he has the knowledge required to perform all of the tests and calculations that would be required to do what he claims.


And what are you claiming here? You don't have a background in Mechanical Engineering. If I remember correctly, you were an IT Director before we got here. If I am wrong, prove otherwise.


Some pussy in the N/A forum keeps giving me negative rep. Just because I'm the only one that isn't 6 inches up Ron's ass.

I believe the other members here are having their judgement clouded by your influence. My language may be harsh, but this is the point I was aiming for.


There is a different thread about some of the technical aspects (in addition to the one I created).

hotwheelz made a post that casted doubt on some of the claims made by Ron and IPS, and everyone jumped on him. I posted earlier today backing him up, and no one has had the balls to challenge me yet. :D

Excuse me for backing up a fellow member, who I agree with.


Yeah, I'd buy the Crower cams before the IPS cams.

Skunk 2 will dominate when they release their shit. They are, after all, the current record holder for N/A power on a 4-cylinder (which is a K series).

You want to know why I'd buy Crower before IPS? Because they are established in the market. IPS is not. It is on you, Ron, to change that.


It is painfully obvious now that Neil has had a hidden agenda to find fault and attempts to discredit my personal integrity. Thanks to the person who brought this to my attention.

I have no hidden agendas. I'm interested in the open sharing of information. It's too bad that my beliefs impact your bottom line (as you stated earlier), but this isn't my problem.



Geez, I'm reading through the entire thread and there's a real hatred for me shared not only by Neil but others participating in that thread. Here's another snippet from page 20.

Again, you misinterpret. I assure you I don't hate you.


:laughing:

It's rediculous how everyone worships him. He announces a product without giving any real indication of the parameters, and everyone instantly drops everything to chase after him. It's foolish.


What's most unfortunate is that I believe I can do better than him, but lack the resources that he has. I believe I can make a better product and not hide behind phrases like "understanding that requires a degreed engineer." :rolleyes:


We've always responded to product inquiry directly, and when said response was given - this is how they react by running off to a chat thread to talk behind my back. We have provided more than sufficient engineering information to support the statements contained within the discussion surrounding the product. They clearly do not accept it and have too much pride to concede academically.


On the contrary, when I've asked for things you've told me it would be improper to discuss them since it requires a degreed engineer to understand. If this was the case, you shouldn't have brought these things up in the first place. If you didn't, I wouldn't have anything to dispute.


I wonder how I've wronged him to have such a big axe to grind. Oh here's why, it makes perfect sense now:

Yeah, times were good when Ron disappeared and went to the *other* board (which will not be mentioned here). I was pretty much all they had left!

Edit: I wouldn't want to leave the forum though; N/A is my passion. My position in the community will become clear.


You ever make jokes, Ron? You ever make pretentious jokes? Do you ever look in the mirror and call yourself God? Then you'd understand the joke I made above. But it occurs to me that you don't need to call yourself God - you have the minions to do it for you.

[Glimpse]

I wouldn't sweat the haters (esp. a cocky college kid with a sloppy cams install). I don't think people realize how much background and involvement you have in the industry.

My cam install was far from sloppy.

You had a shop do yours, didn't you?

[Glimpse]

Oh I don't. I was just caught completely off-guard and was sincere about holding Neil in high esteem previously.

It perturbs me more than anything, knowing the true nature of these people, but I don't "sweat" them per se. Just extremely disappointed.

-Ron

And I have always been sincere about holding you in high esteem.

It's too bad you are taking things out of context and think I am attacking you, when on the contrary I have always been a supporter. I just don't deify you, and actually think for myself.

I'm somewhat disappointed myself. It's too bad that everyone has such malcontent for me, which has apparently loomed for a while (as I've gathered from their comments) but no one has said anything since I started a small disagreement.

[Glimpse]

i never liked him because i knew he was trying to be a clubrsx hero.....the thing is he wants to be a clubrsx hero when in reality you (ron) are just a cool person who actually knows shit and it doesnt matter what forum you are on. just because a kid with some educational backround on physics took apart his motor a few times makes him a cocky expert and thinks he knows what hes doing. no worries man the product will speak for itself when people install these and dynos and impressions coming out... theres no stopping the product for speaking for itself.

keep on rocking on man you have the real NA guys here. no geeky think they know it alls :thumbs_up

Have you ever talked to me off clubrsx? Then you probably don't know what I am like on other forums, or otherwise.


My intent on Clubrsx has never changed. I want to assist with the development of the K-series motors and help my fellow RSX owners out there to achieve their goals. I want freedom of information and a plethora of choices.

I'm sorry if you neither see that nor agree with my stance. But that's your God given right.

[Glimpse]

So anyone want to settle this here? I'm willing to discuss all night.

Enough of the attacks, enough of the backtalk. Let's get everything out on the table, right here, right now.

[Glimpse]

This is an interesting forum. I've found a new place to give my opinions in an effort to help the community, even though it is apparently unwanted. *Sigh* C'est la vie.

[Glimpse]

Ron, another thing that bothers me is that you are blaming me of using my position of power to influence members, yet you are doing exactly the same.

[rsxmachine]

My cam install was far from sloppy.

You had a shop do yours, didn't you?nope, you must be thinking of someone else. I've been turning wrenches on cars since before you were born.

[Rob]

hey ron
You dont really know me, but ive been watching you for a while.

About a year and a half ago i had a bad experience with the import market and got smart about what was going on pretty quick (at least i think so)
Its really apparent to me now, what companies offer good products and good service and what ones dont.

I can tell you are on the good side.
It is sad to see the haters and stuff. Its also even more sad to see them rooting for the companies that have no ethics and offer poor service with also some poor products. If they only knew what they are doing. They will find out eventually after it bites them in the ass, likes its done to everyone else mostly.

Anyway, im glad you are on board with k-series. I hope everyone here (trent, steve, myself and all the mods) can help further your business and connect people so they get the right parts for their car (if that might be skunk2, toda or ips)
~rob

[Glimpse]

nope, you must be thinking of someone else. I've been turning wrenches on cars since before you were born.

Well, my mistake. Perhaps I am thinking of another member.

[Rob]

So anyone want to settle this here? I'm willing to discuss all night.

Enough of the attacks, enough of the backtalk. Let's get everything out on the table, right here, right now.
well. what is there to settle?

Regardless of who is right or wrong, there will be something to argue about, and usually people end up fighting about different things.

why would you buy a cam from a company that has strong market presence? and have that be your main determining factor? (thats at least what it sounds like)

there are a decent amount of logic argument errors in most of your posts.

[Glimpse]

well. what is there to settle?

Regardless of who is right or wrong, there will be something to argue about, and usually people end up fighting about different things.

why would you buy a cam from a company that has strong market presence? and have that be your main determining factor? (thats at least what it sounds like)

there are a decent amount of logic argument errors in most of your posts.

Have you read the "other forum?"

Apparently there is some bad blood between Ron and myself, or myself and the other members, or between President Bush and John Kerry... I forget; I seem to lose track in all the drama.

I like discussing things, especially when there are disagreements on the table. I think everyone here, regardless of whether they hate me or not, knows this.

A company's presence would not be my determining factor when purchasing a product, but all of us know that it is a big factor. Other factors I would consider are: 1. The specifications of the product 2. The build quality of the product 3. What others think of the product 4. Customer support 5. .... I could go on and on.

Try not to take what I say out of context; there is enough of this from both "sides" already.

[edo]

Really big of all of you to talk about me behind my back instead of out in the open. Really big of you.

He who casts the first stone.... you have no legs to stand on now Neil, especially since that chat thread was discovered. We hide nothing here, and we can only be gauged by what we say.



So let's get started.



I said I respect you Ron and I've never been deceiptful about that. I don't have anything against you personally. You're taking my discussions with other members out of context.

No I'm not, I've quoted you where you directly mention me. I draw attention to the very first quote where you've gone on record to have no bias against me which establishes the context for the following quotes.




So to straighten things out, since clearly you are misinterpreting:


This is true.



And what are you claiming here? You don't have a background in Mechanical Engineering. If I remember correctly, you were an IT Director before we got here. If I am wrong, prove otherwise.

For someone so intelligent, your logic is riddled with holes. I never claimed that I was an ME, rather the engineering staff responsible for IPS cams.




I believe the other members here are having their judgement clouded by your influence. My language may be harsh, but this is the point I was aiming for.



Excuse me for backing up a fellow member, who I agree with.


As for hotwheelz, and everyone reading along, he was provided with ample engineering information specific to the issue raised by him. Since you backed him up, that information is for your digestion as well. I sincerely awaited your response to what our engineers stated in that thread, but now after seeing your true colors, there is very little significance if you do or not.




You want to know why I'd buy Crower before IPS? Because they are established in the market. IPS is not. It is on you, Ron, to change that.



That's fair, I never asked you or anyone else to buy our product. My reason for quoting you on this point, demonstrates and lends itself as witness to your personal character, contradictory to the bias you deny as referenced by the very first quote.




I have no hidden agendas. I'm interested in the open sharing of information. It's too bad that my beliefs impact your bottom line (as you stated earlier), but this isn't my problem.

You can deny all you want, your actions and words testify otherwise. There is now sufficient evidence which attributes statements made by you which are defamatory in nature. Since you are aware of and have acknowledged that your words and actions on a public forum, having the impact of influencing with bias, whose clear intent is to discredit the integrity and principles of the company - I must state for the record that this is a highly litigous matter and all measures to protect the Company will be explored and executed.





Again, you misinterpret. I assure you I don't hate you.

I accept this affirmation and thank you for the clarification.




On the contrary, when I've asked for things you've told me it would be improper to discuss them since it requires a degreed engineer to understand. If this was the case, you shouldn't have brought these things up in the first place. If you didn't, I wouldn't have anything to dispute.

Let's recall the chronology. The information was requested, then statements were provided and finally you didn't accept the engineering as was demonstrated. Simple. It should have ended there, but you continued to dispute the same issue over and over, each time in hopes to satisfy your request, our responses became more and more involved. It no longer was an exercise in learning, but it is now evident that there had been premeditated and preconceived notions to attempt dissuasion amongst the readers. Your self-proclaimed task at establishing who you are in the community speaks volumes to your true self-centered nature.

Case in point:


You ever make jokes, Ron? You ever make pretentious jokes? Do you ever look in the mirror and call yourself God? Then you'd understand the joke I made above. But it occurs to me that you don't need to call yourself God - you have the minions to do it for you.

There it is, a snapshot or "Glimpse" into the psyche of Neil.

Wow, jokes. I don't pretend to be anything but myself. You are paranoid and highly insulting to assume that our peers in the community deify an enthusiast as you are maliciously stating. Again, another highly hippocritical statement you've gone on record purporting defense of the community. You are not representing yourself very well and it's a shame as we know you're a devoted enthusiast possessing remarkable intellect. How you choose to demonstrate it publically, is very disappointing. You've managed to destroy your standing and credibility within the community.

-Ron

[Glimpse]

Well, since Ron has gone offline, I will as well. I look forward to the fallout tomorrow.

But quickly I would like to say for the record - IPS is not the only company that I have voiced concern about. I have been skeptical about products from other companies as well, regardless of their standing in the industry. I was skeptical of the Crower cams when they first came out as well (in fact, I still am somewhat skeptical on a few issues).

It's unfortunate that this has been misinterpreted as disrespect, or even hatred. And it's a downright shame that all of us have gone behind each other's backs in talking about one another and fighting about bullshit instead of keeping on track with our discussions and working to improve our collective understanding.

To Mark, Jarrod, Justin, and Greg, I wish you luck with your endeavors and would like to offer my assistance in tuning if requested. To Ron, I wish you luck with your company. I know it will do well and you'll sell some great products.

I'll let this stand as-is for now. Good night, from the "hater" a.k.a. Glimpse a.k.a. Mr. Peanut a.k.a Neil.

[Rob]

Have you read the "other forum?"

Apparently there is some bad blood between Ron and myself, or myself and the other members, or between President Bush and John Kerry... I forget; I seem to lose track in all the drama.

I like discussing things, especially when there are disagreements on the table. I think everyone here, regardless of whether they hate me or not, knows this.

A company's presence would not be my determining factor when purchasing a product, but all of us know that it is a big factor. Other factors I would consider are: 1. The specifications of the product 2. The build quality of the product 3. What others think of the product 4. Customer support 5. .... I could go on and on.

Try not to take what I say out of context; there is enough of this from both "sides" already.

ive read through some of those threads MONTHS ago and its STILL going on.

communication and discussing is always a good thing. sometimes you are waisting your time. remember people judge others based upon what they say and the context that it is said in.

what is the issue here anyway?

[edo]

Bob, read my second post on the first page of this thread. Then reference this thread for chronology:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=225 607&page=3&pp=25

start reading with post #56.

-Ron

[edo]

Well, since Ron has gone offline, I will as well. I look forward to the fallout tomorrow.

But quickly I would like to say for the record - IPS is not the only company that I have voiced concern about. I have been skeptical about products from other companies as well, regardless of their standing in the industry. I was skeptical of the Crower cams when they first came out as well (in fact, I still am somewhat skeptical on a few issues).

It's unfortunate that this has been misinterpreted as disrespect, or even hatred. And it's a downright shame that all of us have gone behind each other's backs in talking about one another and fighting about bullshit instead of keeping on track with our discussions and working to improve our collective understanding.

To Mark, Jarrod, Justin, and Greg, I wish you luck with your endeavors and would like to offer my assistance in tuning if requested. To Ron, I wish you luck with your company. I know it will do well and you'll sell some great products.

I'll let this stand as-is for now. Good night, from the "hater" a.k.a. Glimpse a.k.a. Mr. Peanut a.k.a Neil.

Last minute, eleventh hour diplomacy will not change history. It is very sad to have seen your true colors.

-Ron

[Glimpse]

Great, so now Ron answers... So I'll stay for the time being *sigh*



He who casts the first stone.... you have no legs to stand on now Neil, especially since that chat thread was discovered. We hide nothing here, and we can only be gauged by what we say.

I will admit that it was improper of me to discuss issues in a chat thread behind your back.



No I'm not, I've quoted you where you directly mention me. I draw attention to the very first quote where you've gone on record to have no bias against me which establishes the context for the following quotes.

Clearly you are. I never attacked you personally in the chat thread; maybe you should read it again. I discussed the fact that I believe other members are following you blindly. My language was harsh, but I didn't attack you either directly or indirectly.


For someone so intelligent, your logic is riddled with holes. I never claimed that I was an ME, rather the engineering staff responsible for IPS cams.

This I already knew. You quoted me as if I was disrespecting you in some way. I know you aren't an ME, and that's why I posted it in the chat thread! This is why I asked what you are trying to claim by quoting me.


As for hotwheelz, and everyone reading along, he was provided with ample engineering information specific to the issue raised by him. Since you backed him up, that information is for your digestion as well. I sincerely awaited your response to what our engineers stated in that thread, but now after seeing your true colors, there is very little significance if you do or not.

The information posted (that I have read so far) is information I already knew. I learned about spring harmonics in 1st year Physics (yes, I'll pull the "I'm a super-intelligent college student card"). I will be honest and state that I have not read the entire reply. Hopefully I will have time for that tomorrow.


That's fair, I never asked you or anyone else to buy our product. My reason for quoting you on this point, demonstrates and lends itself as witness to your personal character, contradictory to the bias you deny as referenced by the very first quote.

Do you know me personally? You don't, so you clearly know nothing of my character. I am not biased for or against any company. At this particular time, I would buy a cam from Crower before I would buy one for IPS (provided all other variables were identical except the company). This is my right as an educated consumer.

There is nothing biased about buying from other companies. You think I like Toda just because I have some of their products?


You can deny all you want, your actions and words testify otherwise. There is now sufficient evidence which attributes statements made by you which are defamatory in nature. Since you are aware of and have acknowledged that your words and actions on a public forum, having the impact of influencing with bias, whose clear intent is to discredit the integrity and principles of the company - I must state for the record that this is a highly litigous matter and all measures to protect the Company will be explored and executed.

Yeah, I'm so sure you're going to sue me for slandering your company especially since I have said nothing defamatory about IPS.


I accept this affirmation and thank you for the clarification.

You are welcome. It's too bad you won't accept my other affirmations.


Let's recall the chronology. The information was requested, then statements were provided and finally you didn't accept the engineering as was demonstrated. Simple. It should have ended there, but you continued to dispute the same issue over and over, each time in hopes to satisfy your request, our responses became more and more involved.

You didn't satisfy my request for information, but dismissed it as being beyond my comprehension. I do not find this to be an acceptable resolution. It's a free world - you don't have to satisfy my request. But you shouldn't attack me for asking.


It no longer was an exercise in learning, but it is now evident that there had been premeditated and preconceived notions to attempt dissuasion amongst the readers. Your self-proclaimed task at establishing who you are in the community speaks volumes to your true self-centered nature.

My drive to establish myself in the community has nothing to do with you or your company. I am more interested in engineering than politics anyway.



Wow, jokes. I don't pretend to be anything but myself. You are paranoid and highly insulting to assume that our peers in the community deify an enthusiast as you are maliciously stating.[QUOTE]

Now who is being defamatory?

[QUOTE=edo]Again, another highly hippocritical statement you've gone on record purporting defense of the community.

There is nothing hypocritical about my stance. It upsets me that so many follow you blindly, without asking any questions. This concerns me because it does not bode well for the advancement of the community. Your position, if you will, in the community is irrelevant to me. As is your company. The information you share, and the products your company produces, will be what matters. This is the same as any member or company. I respect those who contribute, as you do.


You are not representing yourself very well and it's a shame as we know you're a devoted enthusiast possessing remarkable intellect. How you choose to demonstrate it publically, is very disappointing.

I appreciate the praise of my intellect. Thank you for that. It's just unfortunate that you find a few conversations that were taken out of context combined with my inquisitive nature as defamatory, disrespectful, hateful, or otherwise.

[Glimpse]

Last minute, eleventh hour diplomacy will not change history. It is very sad to have seen your true colors.

-Ron

You know nothing of my "true colors."

And as I have stated many times, I have no interest in diplomacy.

[Rob]

well its pretty obvious that you guys dont get along regardless of whats being said. even after something gets resolved, another thing gets brought back up.

this happens alot of relationships (husband/wife & m/m f/f if you are in cali) where someone will keep bringing up issues after they have long gone away. That usually says that there is a underlying problem in the person that keeps saying "dont do it that way, it bothers me"
they keep blaming the other person, when its really themselves and their own issues that they havent dealt with.
im not saying that glimpse has undealt with emotional issues or something. there just has to be some reason why he keeps wanting to bring things up. its clear he doesnt like the products or the company or wutever. so whats the beef with the need to talk about valve train harmonics in order to belittle a company?
start another thread where you talk about that, and it doesnt involve how one company sucks in some way or another.

[Glimpse]

well its pretty obvious that you guys dont get along regardless of whats being said. even after something gets resolved, another thing gets brought back up.

this happens alot of relationships (husband/wife & m/m f/f if you are in cali) where someone will keep bringing up issues after they have long gone away. That usually says that there is a underlying problem in the person that keeps saying "dont do it that way, it bothers me"
they keep blaming the other person, when its really themselves and their own issues that they havent dealt with.
im not saying that glimpse has undealt with emotional issues or something. there just has to be some reason why he keeps wanting to bring things up. its clear he doesnt like the products or the company or wutever. so whats the beef with the need to talk about valve train harmonics in order to belittle a company?
start another thread where you talk about that, and it doesnt involve how one company sucks in some way or another.


I have no interest in belittling IPS, Ron, or any other. As stated numerous times, I have respect for all of the above.

But yes, the discussion about valve train harmonics does not bode well with me. There is a voice in the back of my head that tells me something is not right. I have posted this on the other forum as well.

Please let me know if I am in violation of any forum rules by responding here, as I am new to this forum and mean no disrespect.

[SiK LiL pLaYa]

The funny thing is that the amount of information edo has provided about the cams and about engineering of these cams. it is more then what any other company has done and would do.

[Glimpse]

The funny thing is that the amount of information edo has provided about the cams and about engineering of these cams. it is more then what any other company has done and would do.

This is true, and I am grateful for that as well as the other members, I'm sure.

But as I've stated, something just doesn't sit right with me and I'm not going to ignore that or hold my tongue just to pacify the populace.

Edit: Actually I think the problem is that he gave too much information. ;) If he didn't I wouldn't have had anything to feel uneasy about and wouldn't have started an ongoing argument...

[edo]

You didn't satisfy my request for information, but dismissed it as being beyond my comprehension. I do not find this to be an acceptable resolution. It's a free world - you don't have to satisfy my request. But you shouldn't attack me for asking.

Never did I state that you were lacking in comprehension, but rather you chose to take it as such. There is a recent post by smartbomb that addresses the issue further. I was not attacking, nor have I ever attacked you for asking a valid question. I have defended my integrity with reference to your callous remarks recently discovered.


Wow, jokes. I don't pretend to be anything but myself. You are paranoid and highly insulting to assume that our peers in the community deify an enthusiast as you are maliciously stating.


Now who is being defamatory?


You were. Its the truth, you assume and put words into others' mouth, joking or not. Your tone was malicious indeed.



There is nothing hypocritical about my stance. It upsets me that so many follow you blindly, without asking any questions. This concerns me because it does not bode well for the advancement of the community. Your position, if you will, in the community is irrelevant to me. As is your company. The information you share, and the products your company produces, will be what matters. This is the same as any member or company. I respect those who contribute, as you do.

There you have it. You've admitted being emotionally upset and affected by what you perceive as others actions. They do ask questions, and all are answered. You continue to grind an axe and assume that you champion the community's best interest, when in fact - no one asked you to. You are hypocritical, your actions prove it, but you're in denial and can't see it from an external perspective such as your peers'.

-Ron

[Rob]

so until you have something in concrete then take a chill pill.

what if you are wrong, wont you really feel like a dumbass after you dug such a deep hole?

Heres another problem with your movement against ips's stuff. If you really just want people to have the best stuff and not get screwed over (which is worth merit) then you should be passionate about all the other companies that are known for screwing people and have horrible service.

that is why its very clear that its come down to something personal and you cant let it go. you dont have multipage threads about non-techincal stuff that deal with a business and a consumer where someone isnt getting personal.

ive been in your shoes, or at least had a strong passion against another company. honestly, you need to be smarter than your current mode of attack because its not helping anyone.

[Glimpse]

Never did I state that you were lacking in comprehension, but rather you chose to take it as such. There is a recent post by smartbomb that addresses the issue further. I was not attacking, nor have I ever attacked you for asking a valid question. I have defended my integrity with reference to your callous remarks recently discovered.

I never attacked your integrity.


You were. Its the truth, you assume and put words into others' mouth, joking or not. Your tone was malicious indeed.

There was nothing malicious about what I said. Again, you are taking things out of context. The Internet is bad about that; you can never really tell for sure. Would you believe I'm smiling right now? You likely wouldn't, but you'll never know for sure. Tone is very difficult to discern on the Internet.


There you have it. You've admitted being emotionally upset and affected by what you perceive as others actions. They do ask questions, and all are answered.

Yes, I get emotional when people I care for do things without caution due to the influence of another. I'm sure you do as well.


You continue to grind an axe and assume that you champion the community's best interest, when in fact - no one asked you to. You are hypocritical, your actions prove it, but you're in denial and can't see it from an external perspective such as your peers'.

The last time I had an axe to grind, I was chopping down the cherry tree in my backyard. Damn thing had disease.

I'm not here to "champion the community's best interest" (you make it sound like I'm riding a white horse). I'm here to give my opinion and do what I think is right. No one asked me, but I don't care anyway. Did anyone ask you when you started out? Somehow I think not. You don't choose this life; it chooses you. No one here has called me a hypocrite except for you. And if you don't respect me, even though I respect you, then you are clearly not my peer.

Believe it or not, I'm not here to slander you or torpedo your company. I'm just here to express my opinion on a matter that I am uneasy about. My side conversations are just that - side conversations. It was inappropriate of me to use that channel to discuss matters about this issue behind your back, but what's done is done. You were doing the same thing before I stumbled upon this gem, yet you still have the nerve to call me a hypocrite.

[Rob]

you might not think you are trying to slander the company, thats what you are doing though.
your opinion is not based on facts that his products will fail or anything of that sort. you already said that.

[Glimpse]

so until you have something in concrete then take a chill pill.

I'm just trying to smooth out the rough seas, if you will. I'll return to the technical argument later after I have time to review everything said, do some research, and come back with more information about my opinion supporting either side.


what if you are wrong, wont you really feel like a dumbass after you dug such a deep hole?

I don't see anything wrong with doing what one thinks is the right thing. If I am wrong I'll eat humble pie. I never have regrets.


Heres another problem with your movement against ips's stuff. If you really just want people to have the best stuff and not get screwed over (which is worth merit) then you should be passionate about all the other companies that are known for screwing people and have horrible service.

If you are referring to my post that was cross-linked here about other manufacturers, I'm afraid you're taking it out of context. That was a part of a conversation earlier in the day with the other member involved.

I do not back Toda, Crower, Skunk2, Mugen, Injen, Hondata, IPS, etc. I back a quality product that is brought to market and supported. I have found in my experience, albeit short, that this typically occurs on a product-to-product basis. Overall, the companies are different in terms of cost, reputation, customer service, etc. so this must also be taken into account. But, I always make determinations on a case-by-case basis. I have a Hayame exhaust on my RSX and love it, but I would never buy the Hayame coilovers as an example.


that is why its very clear that its come down to something personal and you cant let it go. you dont have multipage threads about non-techincal stuff that deal with a business and a consumer where someone isnt getting personal.

I don't have anything personal here, I'm just trying to get Ron to understand that so he won't have anything personal against me.

I may even be an IPS customer in the future; I'm looking for a cam provider for my next product and the IPS-Kme's do sound promising. But I won't know until I have enough information to do my evaluation and make a decision.


ive been in your shoes, or at least had a strong passion against another company. honestly, you need to be smarter than your current mode of attack because its not helping anyone.

You're right in that I have passion, but I'm afraid you're wrong that it is directed against a company. I'm not here to attack anyone. A few out-of-context remarks does not prove this, either.

I'd challenge Ron to find a post where I directly attack IPS. He won't, because I haven't. Nor have I attacked him. Unfortunately, he is reading posts stemming from side conversations that have been ongoing both on and off the Internet. Because of this, he is misinterpreting the information therein as an attack against him and IPS. He has never met me in person, nor has he participated in those particular discussions. The only people who know the true context are myself and the other members involved (those within Albuquerque, NM).

[edo]

I never attacked your integrity.

Your actions in its totality speak to this. Questioning the engineering without the ability to refute with supporting evidence, and continued negative remarks despite our sincerest efforts to shed light upon the subject qualifies your actions. Integrity is core. If you believe that you haven't insulted my integrity, you've got a lot to learn.



There was nothing malicious about what I said. Again, you are taking things out of context. The Internet is bad about that; you can never really tell for sure. Would you believe I'm smiling right now? You likely wouldn't, but you'll never know for sure. Tone is very difficult to discern on the Internet.

But the written word is not, and many literature classes expound on the very crux of tone. Read my words again verbatim, you have the tendency to read what you want to see and not what is actually written.




Yes, I get emotional when people I care for do things without caution due to the influence of another. I'm sure you do as well.



The last time I had an axe to grind, I was chopping down the cherry tree in my backyard. Damn thing had disease.

I'm not here to "champion the community's best interest" (you make it sound like I'm riding a white horse). I'm here to give my opinion and do what I think is right. No one asked me, but I don't care anyway. Did anyone ask you when you started out? Somehow I think not. You don't choose this life; it chooses you. No one here has called me a hypocrite except for you. And if you don't respect me, even though I respect you, then you are clearly not my peer.

Believe it or not, I'm not here to slander you or torpedo your company. I'm just here to express my opinion on a matter that I am uneasy about. My side conversations are just that - side conversations. It was inappropriate of me to use that channel to discuss matters about this issue behind your back, but what's done is done. You were doing the same thing before I stumbled upon this gem, yet you still have the nerve to call me a hypocrite.

You keep giving me reasons to, you're just adding to the volumes of written record that validate my remark.

-Ron

[Glimpse]

you might not think you are trying to slander the company, thats what you are doing though.
your opinion is not based on facts that his products will fail or anything of that sort. you already said that.

Oh, I don't believe his products will fail. In fact, I believe the contrary, which is why I continue to wish him luck.

My problem lies with some of the information discussed in the very first thread which was not answered to my satisfaction.


Now I think I understand where the misinterpretation is coming in. I can assure you that I am seeking nothing more than a clarification on a technical issue with which I am concerned. If I take just the specifications posted and ignore the actual discussion, it is clear that these are some of the best cams on the market and I applaud IPS for their development. My problem lies not with the product, company, or Ron, but with the discussion.

[Glimpse]

Your actions in its totality speak to this. Questioning the engineering without the ability to refute with supporting evidence, and continued negative remarks despite our sincerest efforts to shed light upon the subject qualifies your actions. Integrity is core. If you believe that you haven't insulted my integrity, you've got a lot to learn.

I never questioned your engineering. I stated that I am uneasy about information that was discussed.


But the written word is not, and many literature classes expound on the very crux of tone. Read my words again verbatim, you have the tendency to read what you want to see and not what is actually written.

And you have the tendency to read what is said verbatim without understanding the ongoing discussion or personalities behind it.


You keep giving me reasons to, you're just adding to the volumes of written record that validate my remark.

Then keep doing it. It really doesn't matter what you think of me personally. I don't have a problem with you or IPS. It's too bad you seem to have a problem with me.

[edo]

I'd challenge Ron to find a post where I directly attack IPS. He won't, because I haven't. Nor have I attacked him. Unfortunately, he is reading posts stemming from side conversations that have been ongoing both on and off the Internet. Because of this, he is misinterpreting the information therein as an attack against him and IPS. He has never met me in person, nor has he participated in those particular discussions. The only people who know the true context are myself and the other members involved (those within Albuquerque, NM).

You are judged by your actions in life, both on and off line. While I do not know you personally, and cannot attest to your off line persona, you have to take responsibility for what you go on record as saying throughout the forums. I did not seek out that chat thread, it was brought to my attention in a similar fashion as you were made aware.

-Ron

[Glimpse]

You are judged by your actions in life, both on and off line. While I do not know you personally, and cannot attest to your off line persona, you have to take responsibility for what you go on record as saying throughout the forums. I did not seek out that chat thread, it was brought to my attention in a similar fashion as you were made aware.

-Ron

I agree with this statement completely.

And I know how you came upon my regional thread; the member who found it and pointed it out to you is one I would consider a friend. I found this one by my own prowess.

[edo]

I never questioned your engineering. I stated that I am uneasy about information that was discussed.



And you have the tendency to read what is said verbatim without understanding the ongoing discussion or personalities behind it.



Then keep doing it. It really doesn't matter what you think of me personally. I don't have a problem with you or IPS. It's too bad you seem to have a problem with me.

You're now dipping into semantics. My determination is based upon the written word due to the inherent limitations of the communicative medium. It is the only way to post in a responsible manner.


I agree with this statement completely.

And I know how you came upon my regional thread; the member who found it and pointed it out to you is one I would consider a friend. I found this one by my own prowess.

Again, semantics.

[Glimpse]

You're now dipping into semantics. My determination is based upon the written word due to the inherent limitations of the communicative medium. It is the only way to post in a responsible manner.



Again, semantics.

Limitations of the medium are not an issue if those using it understand additional information that is independent of the medium, and allows them to communicate across the medium without losing information.

It's merely a protocol, nothing more and nothing less. Take credit card authorization systems as an example. They use modems to communicate across the PSTN, but they don't go through the full mating call because they already understand the flow control and compression to be used.

Same thing here. The local members and I understand eachother because we can use information we already know when communicating across the Internet, so errors in interpretation are rare.


This cannot be assumed when communicating with others where there is no other communications channel. It is in this case, that posting verbatim must be practiced. My posts in the N/A forum are this (for the most part, I have communications with some other members that occasionally causes a deviation). My posts in the chat thread are not like this at all, since I speak to the other members in person on a regular basis.


You will never know the intent of a post in the chat thread unless you ask the members it is directed at. They understand me, even if you don't. That of course brings us to the other issue - the fact that you can't really have a private conversation on a public medium because this happens.


Well, enough rambling. But not semantics - it's a matter of syntax. They have information that you don't and can fill in the blanks.

[Glimpse]

You should also probably know that I'm not the only one with concerns; I have been messaged privately by some who have concerns as well. Apparently I'm just the one of the few with the stomach to bring it up.

This is what companies face all the time. There are always people on either side of the fence with respect to their products or otherwise. It's really not something that should be taken personally, in my opinion.

[edo]

Okay Glimpse, you've managed to prove my point once again with supposition.

Good nite.

-Ron

[Glimpse]

Okay Glimpse, you've managed to prove my point once again with supposition.

Good nite.

-Ron

I don't see how you figure that, but then again I haven't previously either.

Sweet dreams there buddy.

[Diggs]

ignorance is bliss

[thaduke2003]

Can't we all just get along? :) Mark W.

[k20ImportTuner]

wait so Glimpe you are against his company simply because other people kiss his ass? :confused:

What exactly do you dislike about IPS? in plain summary...

[rsxmachine]

man, a lot of backpeddling...
perhaps if Glimpse wasn't attacking Ron, then he was attacking his fellow members when he said they were "so far up Ron's ass" and "foolish"?
there was an excellent 50+ page thread of questions & answers going on until Chris' little e-thug was sent in to shut it down (I guess Chris didn't have the guts to face up to it himself); so no one is "following him blindly". Try to get that kind of information and participation out of Toda.

Ron went away for more than a year to work on this. if you don't believe in the product, then at least respect his hard work and dedication.

[BigDawg]

I am the one who brought that thread to Ron's attention because of the blatant disrespect that Neil showed for me within it.

Neil, as I stated before, I have at no point been direspectful towards you and have stepped off of people when you have asked me to. When I did a simple search to answer any questions last night, that thread came up. You talked behind both of our backs before anything else was even started and you think that a thread such as this, bringing out your opinions regarding the fellow NA tuners on ClubRSX has no purpose?

By no means have my feelings been hurt. I brush shit like this off because none of you know me. There are only a few beings that I hope will always accept me.

You are right Neil, I can be rude from time to time, but guess what...that's who I am. If you don't like who I am or how people perceive Ron, or for that matter any love or dissention that is apparent, maybe you should try being rude about it in the open. I have found that it works a hell of a lot better than doing it in the shadows, where you are nothing more than a hypocrite.

[Glimpse]

wait so Glimpe you are against his company simply because other people kiss his ass? :confused:

What exactly do you dislike about IPS? in plain summary...

I am weary because "people kiss his ass." This is a dangerous premise when you mix in business.


I don't dislike IPS. On the contrary, I believe it is a very promising company and I know we'll see some great things from IPS in the future.

[BigDawg]

Neil, do you know how many newbies kiss your ass on ClubRSX because of your diplomatic public demeanor?

[Glimpse]

man, a lot of backpeddling...
perhaps if Glimpse wasn't attacking Ron, then he was attacking his fellow members when he said they were "so far up Ron's ass" and "foolish"?
there was an excellent 50+ page thread of questions & answers going on until Chris' little e-thug was sent in to shut it down (I guess Chris didn't have the guts to face up to it himself); so no one is "following him blindly". Try to get that kind of information and participation out of Toda.

Ron went away for more than a year to work on this. if you don't believe in the product, then at least respect his hard work and dedication.

Hahaha... Yeah I was attacking my peers because I hate you all! Seriously, I work with you guys on a regular basis and have nothing but respect. I did say the wrong things; this is obvious.

I liked the original thread, it was the only one that wasn't clouded with junk up until the end. We made some great progress there.

And like I said previously, I have great respect for Ron, IPS, and the dedication and effort invested thus far. I also have great respect for my peers.

I made some statements that were less than polite. I see this now. But you need to realize that there is more behind the conversation in which those statements were made then meets the eye. This was a part of an ongoing conversation that was a combination of on the boards, in private messages, and offline entirely. You need to realize that there is more to that conversation than any of you see.

[Glimpse]

I am the one who brought that thread to Ron's attention because of the blatant disrespect that Neil showed for me within it.

Neil, as I stated before, I have at no point been direspectful towards you and have stepped off of people when you have asked me to. When I did a simple search to answer any questions last night, that thread came up. You talked behind both of our backs before anything else was even started and you think that a thread such as this, bringing out your opinions regarding the fellow NA tuners on ClubRSX has no purpose?

By no means have my feelings been hurt. I brush shit like this off because none of you know me. There are only a few beings that I hope will always accept me.

You are right Neil, I can be rude from time to time, but guess what...that's who I am. If you don't like who I am or how people perceive Ron, or for that matter any love or dissention that is apparent, maybe you should try being rude about it in the open. I have found that it works a hell of a lot better than doing it in the shadows, where you are nothing more than a hypocrite.

As I've told you off the forum, I have no intention of disrespecting you and believe it or not I do consider you a friend.

I'm glad you can brush this off so hopefully we can advance.

Edit: See my previous post regarding the fact that I see my error in posting what I did in the chat thread.

[Glimpse]

Neil, do you know how many newbies kiss your ass on ClubRSX because of your diplomatic public demeanor?

Quite a lot of them. It's unnatural.

They hate me when I swear at them for starting duplicate threads without searching, though.

[BigDawg]

Let them hate you. Being liked by all is what is not natural. Wanted to be liked by all is being too political. To be blunt...

Fuck politics in an internet forum. I am not here to make my place, I am here so I can make power.

[Glimpse]

Let them hate you. Being liked by all is what is not natural. Wanted to be liked by all is being too political. To be blunt...

Fuck politics in an internet forum. I am not here to make my place, I am here so I can make power.

I agree, and I don't like politics.

So now you all know what I am like in "real life." I'm publicly diplomatic, but a behind-the-scenes jackass. Does it satisfy you to hear that?

[BigDawg]

There is nothing here to satisfy. Something has been said/done and nothing else will come of it. The discussion here might have enlightened a few people, but everyone here will go to bed tonight and wake up tomorrow. These are internet forums intended for us to move forward with our passion, not belittle others or question someone's integrity for posting information about a product so as to develop further knowledge. I will jump in someone's shit for misinformation because it lacks credibility, not out of want for feelings of love or hate from other members. When someone posts information that has credibility and members jump in trying to discredit it, then there are other malicious intentions. If it is something that you know for a fact is false, then call it out.

How people perceive your actions is up to you.

[Glimpse]

Well for the record, I merely asked for clarification and was unsatisfied with the response. I have never given any negative opinion on the IPS-K2's, just on something that was said during the ongoing discussion, which I have long since lost track of (memory problems will do that to you). At this point, it is moot. All of this is.

I am going to leave this forum now because it is fairly clear that I am not welcome here. If anyone would like to discuss further, shoot me an email or catch me via PM on the other board.


Again, I would like to assert that I have no opinion on Ron, IPS, or the IPS-K2's either way. To anyone who has read this, please do not take anything that I have said during the ongoing discussion into your decision if and when you decide to purchase the IPS-K2 cams, or any other product offered by IPS. I don't want to undermine anyone's livelihood or success and this has never been my intent. As stated by Jarrod earlier, these cams will stand for themselves.

Ron, it is too bad we have not arrived to an understanding on this. I have no intent to continue further with this discussion on a public forum, but if you feel the need to continue private discussions please email me (through this forum or ClubRSX) and I will be more than happy to work with you to clear the air.

Goodbye, and again good luck to the charter members, IPS, and future IPS customers.

[EvaUnit01]

People will still welcome you Neil...arguments or not...and I feel that people still welcome you. From what I read and was informed by other people...it's part misunderstanding and part being blown out of proportion.

[k-series]

Everyone is welcome here, I don't care what board you're from or what's being said.

Healthy debating (as long as it's fair and not an attack) is good.

Let's just try not to be too hard on Ron, let's wait for everything to come from the first batch of testers.


Steve

[BigDawg]

As I told Neil, speculation is one thing, but hounding it to a point where it is messing with someone's livelihood is uncalled for. Neil is of course welcome here, since it is a public forum. I highly doubt he will be back though, now that he is moderator there.

[k-series]

As I told Neil, speculation is one thing, but hounding it to a point where it is messing with someone's livelihood is uncalled for. Neil is of course welcome here, since it is a public forum. I highly doubt he will be back though, now that he is moderator there.

I saw that and will speculate the same, but in case any others were reading or whatever, just wanted to get that out there.

;)


Steve

[thaduke2003]

He he- you said hard on :) Mark W.

[BarracksSi]

What the fuck.....?

I only hear about IPS a couple weeks ago, and I was pretty disappointed to see the thread on clubrsx go to shit the way it did.

And now, back home on K-series, it's happening again, making this the fastest thread I've ever seen here?

This is fucking retarded. Let the guy do business, dammit.

[PapiTuyo326]

glad to see you on k-series man

ive been reading up on you product for a while now

i dont have the cash (nor the right engine) to invest in those cams, but i have long term plans and include your company

keep doing what your doing, dont let haters get you down

[rsxmachine]

I liked the original thread, it was the only one that wasn't clouded with junk up until the end. We made some great progress there.so, it sounds like you agree that the interference by ClubRSX's moderators screwed things up? that kind of censorship and heavy-handed moderation turns people off and ultimately costs Chris some business (quite the opposite of what he intended), I hope he understands that.

[WhiZ]

Well.... I'll just say that I'll happily give dyno results for IPS, but only if I win the raffle. :teeth:

I'm missing my car right now... She's in getting my header, exhaust, and ITR cams installed right now. Can't wait to see the results. :)

Ron, glad you've got another forum to provide info on. Looking forward to hearing more and seeing more dyno results from others. :thumbs_up

Peace

WhiZ

[BarracksSi]

I'm keeping my eyes on the project because I'm still deciding what to do with my EP's A3 motor, whether I should hang onto it or I should splurge on a swap and mod it later.

I just hate seeing forum politics getting in the way.

[Speed Werx]

so, it sounds like you agree that the interference by ClubRSX's moderators screwed things up? that kind of censorship and heavy-handed moderation turns people off and ultimately costs Chris some business (quite the opposite of what he intended), I hope he understands that.

ill give a big amen to that. i think a good few of you said fuck club rsx, when you heard i got canned, even though i had never made it known on the public forum that i had a business. I was there to give info. and i think everyone knew that.

Ron, is now here to give HIS info, and whatever he pleases as well!

[EvaUnit01]

What's wrong with ClubRSX? i have had no problems with it.

[BigDawg]

Aside from the politics that makes it a haven for hidden agendas and two-faced members?

[EvaUnit01]

there are a lot of the bad apples in that bunch over there I will agree with you on that, but it always happens, moderators can only work so much.

[park83rsx]

that kind of censorship and heavy-handed moderation turns people off and ultimately costs Chris some business (quite the opposite of what he intended), I hope he understands that.


I can't agree more.

[Mmmotornutz]

Hmmm, first we has a skeptic now he is a crsx moderator. How'd that happen?

Gee, there weren't any hidden agendas :secret:

[BigDawg]

By arguing with us...

[Mmmotornutz]

I guess so. What's the big deal about being a mod anyways? Its not like its a real position. It is nothing more than an official virtual position that is not real, blah! So sas to have to live on the internet.

[BigDawg]

fuck it.

[k20ImportTuner]

Is edo the "mod" on the other forum we are talking about? It's so easy to get lost, haha..

[DallasTypeS]

Wow, I just found this thread 30 minutes ago. I gave my congrats to Glimpse yesterday...what a douche. I don't even know where to begin. wtf

[k20ImportTuner]

How come there cams are only made for natural aspiration? Just curious, thanks.

[WhiZ]

Edo (Ron) said F/I cams were in the works, yes...?

Peace

WhiZ

[k20ImportTuner]

Oh okay, cool.

But, what determines whether the cams are FI or NA camshafts? like what's different about em?

[k-series]

*Edit - Nevermind, read Ron's post below. :)

Steve

[edo]

http://www.k20a.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1446

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=219 066&highlight=IPS-Kpsi

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=219 067

They are called IPS-Kpsi, forced induction cams, and yes they'll be available to order once we finalize dyno testing.

-Ron

[park83rsx]

I guess so. What's the big deal about being a mod anyways?


I don't know, but half of the ppl that become mods/admin on that site develop big e-powertrips.

I'm not mentioning any names, but i've seen it happen.

[park83rsx]

http://www.k20a.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1446

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=219 066&highlight=IPS-Kpsi

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=219 067

They are called IPS-Kpsi, forced induction cams, and yes they'll be available to order once we finalize dyno testing.

-Ron


Congrats on the F/I cams. Hope it works out well for you.

Btw, I'm suprised either of those threads werent locked.

[edo]

I will update the website with IPS-Kpsi product page once we have completed testing. It should be very soon.

-Ron

[DallasTypeS]

Ron, so have you concluded all the testing for the Kmes? OT: we have the same birthday :p

[rsxmachine]

ill give a big amen to that. i think a good few of you said fuck club rsx, when you heard i got canned, even though i had never made it known on the public forum that i had a business. I was there to give info. and i think everyone knew that.so you're banned forever? (and k-series got banned too?) I assume you will no longer participate on that site; I made that same decision yesterday, because I can no longer stand to be there. it's no fun anymore -- the whole vibe is negative, the air is thick with hypocrisy, the owners & moderators are long on attitude and short on integrity, and 99% of their site has degraded to repetitive newbie questions, utter post-whoring and off-topic bullshit. they censor amazingly valuable threads like Ron's and cite "policy", yet they allow kiddie porn to be posted in OT. I am forced to turn away in disgust. I learned a lot along the way, and always tried to contribute and help others, but I can't help but feel countless hours were wasted....

That's the last I'll mention of it, I'm normally a positive person, and am here to wish Ron all the best in his grand experiment.

[Spent198]

Well, what has been going on in the past few days has been quite interesting. Nevertheless, I am still following the advancements on these cams and I am still eager to see how the modified RBC IM could effect the results.

On another note, I still don't see why the banning was necessary but if it makes the moderators at ClubRSX rest easy, so be it.

-Carl

[BigDawg]

I will ban you Carl...

"I give you crew-cut."

"Sh-show me your clippers."

"Hey, is not my fault your father is sick."

[BigDawg]

Man, the NA forum on CRSX is falling apart.

[park83rsx]

Man, the NA forum on CRSX is falling apart.


Yeah, I continue to post there and try to keep it going, but its not like it used to be. :(

[BigDawg]

I am fine with it falling apart. I don't care for it much anyway. I have lost so much respect that I will not listen to half the shit people post over there anymore.

[Spent198]

I am fine with it falling apart. I don't care for it much anyway. I have lost so much respect that I will not listen to half the shit people post over there anymore.

Haha, amen good sir. I hope that what was started on ClubRSX can continue. It is good to know that we are all welcome here on K-series.com, so for all responsible, mucho gracias. :thumbs_up

-Carl

[Diggs]

it will continue as we keep on moding and posting results...this spring il have some good information available to everyone.

[Mmmotornutz]

I also should have my own results by the beginning of the next month.

<---- eagerly awaiting the arrival of my cams, any updates Ron?

[typesfanatik]

ow this thread is sitll moving along damn

[k-series]

Feel free to join in! I'm glad that everyone here is getting use of Ron's knowledge and great products.

:)


Steve

[Drusuf]

ban ban for selling your product... o wait this site isnt gay like crsx is right now, good work for all your efforts edo... cant wait to see the results, and subscribed :thumbs_up

[SiFuSpEc]

Yes CRSX has lost valuable sources, but it's ok I was never a fan of such restrictive causes, I hope to read more valuable and tangible information here, as former members used to supply. :angel:

[SiK LiL pLaYa]

I think we need more members in here. This site does also need more sections and sub sections. I think it would help out.

EDIT: I take that back, for some reason I never used to scroll all the way down. WHY I DONT KNOW.

[rsxmachine]

this site has tons of subsections, almost too many actually...
I always felt it was a more positive environment here but it needs more representation from the RSX community

[Drusuf]

this site has tons of subsections, almost too many actually...
I always felt it was a more positive environment here but it needs more representation from the RSX community
dont worry i believe more and more of the dc5 community will begin migrating this way, could be good... or bad though

[EvaUnit01]

well I'm a DC5 guy.

[Drusuf]

essentiall the last 11 posters are dc5 gys from crsx ;) and i think that is a good thinf so far :)

[Spent198]

Haha, well I suppose time will tell guys.

-Carl

[k-series]

;)

Steve

[BigDawg]

I am sure these guys at K-series loved that influx of people that joined in like 2 days.


lol

[k20ImportTuner]

hahah

It was nice... even though the unsuspected fight scene broke out, that was a little confusing(for me at least).

[DallasTypeS]

I wonder if this is going to turn out like Import Builders. Ron posted a bit at first, but rarely after a while.

[BigDawg]

Well, he has a lot going on right now, so bear with him (and I am not just talking about IPS stuff).

[Diggs]

the import builders thing fell through.....Rick solis (good person i might add) decided to leave import builders and start a new career. also the crate motor idea fell through which was the whole purpose of IB getting involved.

[k-series]

I am sure these guys at K-series loved that influx of people that joined in like 2 days.


lol


I'm glad you guys like it here, but I'm just happy to have the content. We're all about our tuners and manufacturers. I just want to be a one stop info store. Forums or on the website.

:)

Steve

[park83rsx]

I'm glad you guys like it here, but I'm just happy to have the content. We're all about our tuners and manufacturers. I just want to be a one stop info store. Forums or on the website.

:)

Steve


You've been doing a good job. There's a good DC5 crowd here as well as an EP3 crowd.

[k-series]

Now we just need some TSX's, Accords, and a few elements. :)

Steve

[BigDawg]

I would think that these forums got a little more traffic than this...

[park83rsx]

Now we just need some TSX's, Accords, and a few elements. :)

Steve


Yup. :)

[Drusuf]

Now we just need some TSX's, Accords, and a few elements. :)

Steve
id like see some nice JDM (euro R) tsx (accords) lol.... around these parts ;)

[Mmmotornutz]

We need to spread the word but at the same time prevent parasites from coming over here too.

[Drusuf]

im just commiting to not mentioning that many of us have moved, and only spread to the close friends, so the trolls dont come around...

[park83rsx]

im just commiting to not mentioning that many of us have moved, and only spread to the close friends, so the trolls dont come around...

Yeah, I still post on CRSX, but I haven't mentioned this site to anyone who is not purely interested in technical information.

[Speed Werx]

Yeah, I still post on CRSX, but I haven't mentioned this site to anyone who is not purely interested in technical information.

i understand not wanting some of the fluff members, but they do contribute to the site traffic and help the boards grow etc. and the traffic does help vendors as well, and i dont just mean me, but in general. plus, we should want to liberate the members from the matrix.....i mean clubrsx
.

[Drusuf]

i understand not wanting some of the fluff members, but they do contribute to the site traffic and help the boards grow etc. and the traffic does help vendors as well, and i dont just mean me, but in general. plus, we should want to liberate the members from the matrix.....i mean clubrsx
.
:laughing: ;) blah

[k-series]

What's funny is, we don't advertise our site at all. We allow people to find us. However, we are coming to a point where Trent and I feel our site is ready for the masses. We have top notch knowledge to help newbs, great vendors with great products, and a staff that can help with the in flux.

We're thinking about something in Honda Tuning.

Anyway, any help you guys can do would be great!

Thanks all!

Steve

[Drusuf]

well i have officially place a url link in my sig at crsx, so we will see what happens ;) hopefully they respond!

[revhard]

Well, good to see that Ron has a place to relay info. Can't wait to see kme numbers for the hardcore guys. How long until other charter members have #'s?

[Speed Werx]

Well, good to see that Ron has a place to relay info. Can't wait to see kme numbers for the hardcore guys. How long until other charter members have #'s?

i should have my cam install wrapped up saturday late afternoon, so im hopin, weather permiting, i can get some dyno runs in the next weeks time.

Greg

[revhard]

Sweet man, can't wait. Good luck.
Will you be tuning or just baseline?

[Speed Werx]

Sweet man, can't wait. Good luck.
Will you be tuning or just baseline?

baseline, and if i have some time, tuning as well.

[newaccordguy]

Now we just need some TSX's, Accords, and a few elements. :)

Steve
another accord here. i've been following the drama all over the web, and im sad to see things turn out the way they did.

however, i know edo will have the last laugh when his cams make more power for less money than all the big companies. and from what i've read, he seems to be a great guy who cares about the customer, not the customer's money. that is why when/if i get something other than my accord to play around with, my car will use his products.

[park83rsx]

What's funny is, we don't advertise our site at all. We allow people to find us. However, we are coming to a point where Trent and I feel our site is ready for the masses. We have top notch knowledge to help newbs, great vendors with great products, and a staff that can help with the in flux.

We're thinking about something in Honda Tuning.

Anyway, any help you guys can do would be great!

Thanks all!

Steve


That would be awesome. If there's anything you'd need help with, toss it out on a thread or something and I'm sure everyone would do their best, I know I would.

[Frozt]

I'm here now too. Crsx has frustrated me unbelievably after cybernation being shafted, ron, and greg.

Glad we can talk freely on here

[park83rsx]

I'm here now too. Crsx has frustrated me unbelievably after cybernation being shafted, ron, and greg.

Glad we can talk freely on here


They shafted Cybernation????????

[Drusuf]

They shafted Cybernation????????
yep, i guess they were allowing them to stay while a deal was being drawn up and it fell through so they axed em!!! muahahaha rediculous

[Drusuf]

I'm here now too. Crsx has frustrated me unbelievably after cybernation being shafted, ron, and greg.

Glad we can talk freely on here
Hey Frozt! good see you migrated this way :)

[park83rsx]

yep, i guess they were allowing them to stay while a deal was being drawn up and it fell through so they axed em!!! muahahaha rediculous


That is the same thing they did to Ron.



Did they ban CN?

[Drusuf]

yea banned doogie the rep for CN... craziness

[k20ImportTuner]

wtf did the CN rep say anything to get ban? or are they sick of people buying from cybernation? hah
thats retarded

[Drusuf]

wtf did the CN rep say anything to get ban? or are they sick of people buying from cybernation? hah
thats retarded
i think they just had a deal going to give crsx some priveledge rights to sell or promote for both sides, and i guess they couldnt get to a comprimise... as a prem i hear these things, but who knows, but forsure i know they are gone ;)

[park83rsx]

i think they just had a deal going to give crsx some priveledge rights to sell or promote for both sides, and i guess they couldnt get to a comprimise... as a prem i hear these things, but who knows, but forsure i know they are gone ;)


Yeah. Basically is someone is on their forums and a business deal with them doesnt work out, they instantly give them the boot. Retarded, huh?

[k20ImportTuner]

now i know why so many ips cams distributors were banned. :teeth:
The deal was being worked on before IPS came around. All unapproved advertisers are banned and manufactures are asked to only answer questions and no pedal their products unless they are a paying sponsor, which I think is only fair.

This is under the thread:
When did this happen?

I guess that's why CN was one of the manufacturers banned as well...

[02SilverSiHB]

I know I said I wasn't going to do anything to my soon to be k20a2...but man...I did an estimate on how much it would cost compared to what I have...only 1700...not including install of course.

[BigDawg]

I know I said I wasn't going to do anything to my soon to be k20a2...but man...I did an estimate on how much it would cost compared to what I have...only 1700...not including install of course.


What? Installs are free, man (as long as you are willing to get dirty). 8)

[park83rsx]

I know I said I wasn't going to do anything to my soon to be k20a2...but man...I did an estimate on how much it would cost compared to what I have...only 1700...not including install of course.


Get a Helm's Manual and get your hands dirty. Install = $0. :)

[02SilverSiHB]

lol...how do we go about getting these calibrations? do we have to pay for it? I hope not :o I'm a cheap bastard now.

[park83rsx]

lol...how do we go about getting these calibrations? do we have to pay for it? I hope not :o I'm a cheap bastard now.


You mean the Helm's manual?

[02SilverSiHB]

You mean the Helm's manual?
no, for kpro..the calibration for the ips setup on kpro.

[BigDawg]

They are distributed with the cams. I am sure once the cams are more widely available, Ron will have the .kals on IPS' webpage.

[EvaUnit01]

IPS is starting to look better for me...BigDawg, since you have them in your car, how does your engine idle now? Still close to stock? And how have the cams been running now since you have had them? Details details details...

[BigDawg]

There are details posted all over CRSX.

My idle is set at 1200 RPMs, per IPS recommendation. Since the idle is a bit higher than stock, it is very smooth even though these cams have much larger primaries. I have had them in for about 6 weeks now and they have not given me any problems. I love the lowend that you get from them and they feel very strong throught the powerband. I cannot explain the difference.

[BG RSX]

haha, this thread was funny...and disappointing (as most discussions have been over the last 2 months). wish i knew about this thread at the time. o well, we mod on. *awaiting my K2 install*